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Something to the effect of "anyone can create another identity; some of us surely already do. Why the fancy name and process for it?"

6:34 PM

I would like to hear @Deleted User 's thoughts on that.

"Why the fancy name and process for it?" some people like to be special; maybe?

Well... honestly, I think a lot of stuff about tulpa is just arbitrary wishful thinking of some people.

6:39 PM

Imo, at first tulpas are imaginary friends showing illusion of independent agency. Some of them become alternate identities later due to practices like proxing and possesion.

You would say each person who wholeheartedly believe their tulpa is someone with true agency is mistaken?

This seems to be a topic more appropriate for #tulpa-discussion .

ok, @Clo

I just greeted my tulpa

8:15 PM

I mostly followed @Felight 's guide

sounds good, how well has it worked out so far?

We are trying to establish a communication

8:17 PM

I'm trying to teach her to create head pressure

8:17 PM

So she can answer binary questions

8:20 PM

She probably already exists, and I felt a pretty independent response when I asked her if she wanted today to be her birthday, to which she declined

well that's great, I'm sure she'll develop vocality when she's ready

Now I need to sleep

8:22 PM

See you in eight hours!

good night

Could you suggest me a good forcing guide?

Hello. Quite frankly, following any specific guide is not optimal. Understanding the general principles behind how a tulpa is created should allow you to decide a general method.

9:22 AM

Generally speaking, the brain learns new information and behavior through repeated reinforcement, and does not automatically use it independently of "you". So, reinforcing the tulpa existing will gradually develop it. To develop it faster and more effectively, give it different experiences. This builds off of how human personality development occurs, to the best of my knowledge of psychology.

9:23 AM

The more experiences (reinforcement) and the more varied those experiences (personality development), the faster and more fully they will develop. Essentially everything else is an extension of that, or a different way for you to experience them.

In short, force them. Narrate, show them the world, interact with them in various ways.

Do be aware that it takes time for the brain to alter its behavior or learn information, and early responses are typically quite dependent on you, particularly if you have not made a tulpa before.

I see

9:40 AM

So, for example, is it good to talk with them during a walk, commenting on what you observe?

Yes.

9:41 AM

I would also suggest being careful about what you assume, hah. There is not anything wrong about not knowing, certainly not regarding responses. Sometimes you may simply need to try and get as close as possible to certainty without being certain.

What would you suggest to establish a reliable communication?

Quite honestly, giving it time and effort. I am, of course, assuming that your intent is to make a tulpa and treat them with the kindness, respect, and consideration that one deserves, just as you would wish were you in that position.

9:54 AM

There isn't a way to rush reliable communication without taking risks at the moment - at the very least, nobody has come up with an alternative that doesn't come with some risk of failing in a more significant way than simply not communicating for a longer period.

it's a matter of patience, then

Overall, yes. If you think you might have a response, but it isn't one that is clear - then, as mentioned, it is a matter of minimizing the possibility of error.

I'll keep it in mind

Can a tulpa disagree with you?

11:50 AM

I think that would be a clear sign of their independence and freedom

Hello

Do you never disagree with yourself, @nemesi ?

Sometimes

12:05 PM

Is this a similar process for Tulpas?

I mean that tulpa disagreeing with you is not an evidence for their independence and freedom.

A tulpa can certainly disagree with you - but, as mon mentioned, it isn't necessarily evidence of independence. Many people can hold multiple viewpoints, sometimes even without consciously thinking it - it can be a source of cognitive dissonance, and is quite well-known.

Ok

Thanks for clarifying, it's a very important information

Overall, I'm very happy to have begun this journey

6:25 PM

Even if I'm still ignorant about most aspects of it

@nemesi they are different people entirely

6:27 PM

and the difference will become more marked over time

6:27 PM

That's arguable

6:27 PM

mine are, so any can be

6:27 PM

and i think they are at heart

6:27 PM

Anegdote from personal experience?

6:27 PM

And wishful thinking?

6:28 PM

nope, they're independent

6:28 PM

And how do you experience their independence?

6:28 PM

because we have had very different experiences and thoughts and memories and personalities over a long period of time

6:29 PM

what's your angle?

6:31 PM

I think more inpdependent tulpas are out alternate identities

6:32 PM

Not different people. They are still the same human as you are

6:32 PM

well, they use the same brain

6:33 PM

there is some similar wiring

Would you make a distinction between independent person tulpas and alternate identity tulpas?

but consciousness exists solely in action and in action they are different

6:33 PM

well, no

6:33 PM

not the same brain

6:33 PM

but some aspects are the same

6:33 PM

In my point of view human is a person. Tulpas are different aspect of it.

6:34 PM

all the hardwired shit is the same but the softwiring is different

6:34 PM

tulpas are on the equivalent level as humans, more or less

6:34 PM

More advanced tulpas are similar to alters in DID

I don't think you ever really answered my question yesterday @Deleted User . What's the difference between a tulpa and another identity? Why do we even have this name (tulpa) at all? (edited)

Why do you ask me why the term "tulpa" even exists? I'm not the founder of this community. Also, it seems the term evolved from tibetan meditation that was supposed to induce "real" hallucination into supposed "entity created in the mind, acting independently of, and parallel to your own consciousness."

maybe I phrased it badly

6:44 PM

Why do you say you have tulpas if you think they are just identities? Why use that word when a simpler, easier to understand, more common word exists that means the same thing? Why do you engage with this community if you think the majority of them are mistaken and are partaking in wishful thinking?

Because my dissociative identity has an origin in that community?

The word tulpa is used in a lot of different ways by a lot of different people. For the most part, a person's views reflect their state of mind on stuff like this.

6:45 PM

Like, Mon probably says identities because their personal experience with tulpamancy is more consistent with that understanding.

6:45 PM

others may say "persons" due to a different experience.

Also, I think not all of the tulpas are alternate identity.

6:46 PM

"Person" is not clearly defined to be honest.

6:47 PM

It's subjective to use this term referring to tulpas.

I think the "root" or most accurate model of the brain is "single-entity". All of its parts are interconnected strongly enough that none are independent actors. From there, you can have other models, but each model that grows further from that point requires more and more mental constructs and "rituals" to achieve that distance.

"person" would be an independent entity that isn't necessarily tied to the body, at least in the context of this discussion for me. It would seem that tulpas are either identities that people (hosts) can use, or they are other people who share the same brain and body with another person, the host.

But, a small construct/ritual, or a large one, tulpamancy is defined in my belief as any deviation from that "single" model.

The difference being, one of them is equal to you, and the other is just a set of behaviors that you can put on. Like a persona, maybe?

The issue I most often see with statements like that Smeer, is that more often than not the equality of tulpa and host requires, at least in part, a definition of "host" to be akin to a personality or an identity

Well something like that, yeah

6:51 PM

and I don't think there's a problem with that

where-as the common definition among those who see tulpas as identities often perscribes the host, or "persons" as larger in scope, requiring the ability to independently generate thought

6:51 PM

I also believe that is the common understanding across society. (edited)

6:52 PM

I don't think there's an issue with that either, you might even say we are all looking at the same things

A person is a collection of conscious thoughts that makes decisions while operating the body, and a tulpa is just another one of those that you have created within your own brain

but using different words to describe them

6:52 PM

I do not find "a collection of conscious thoughts" to be a useful or functional way to define something

yeah I'm stupid

6:53 PM

so I couldn't think of anything better

not stupid, that's a super comon way to say what a host/tulpa is.

you'll have to forgive me for that

6:53 PM

it isn't my area of study so I don't actually know what "we" are